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A bunch of kooks claiming to practice angelology and various other things that they clearly don't know anything about. I'm going to dissect some of this stuff because I find it hilarious. You may think that because I am an esoteric christian I will accept anything that is remotely christian and esoteric for lack of said material..but you would be wrong. :)

There's a book published by those people called "Angels of love & light" which is the sole source of those dinky little websites you may see listing the attributes of "Archeiai". I come across them sometimes while looking up angels. According to the book, by a woman named Lynn Fischer, the archangels have female counterparts named Archeia, each of which shares the same attribute as their Archangel partner. They also correspond to chakras and "rays of light" which are basically just the colours of the chakras.

I'm going to list the supposed attributes of the archangels and "archeiai". Frankly I think they tell all on their own how absurd this whole thing is...

"Michael/Faith
Will or Power

Jophiel/Christine
Love, Wisdom

Chamuel/Charity
Active Intelligence

Gabriel/Hope
Harmony through Conflict

Raphael/Mary
Concrete Science

Uriel/Aurora
Idealism, Devotion

Zadekiel/Amethyst
Ceremonial Order"

Where oh where do I start?
MOST of the archangels listed are indeed in most modern angelic pantheons. However, all of the names given to the Archeiai are english words for various things...virtues, pretty stuff, even a stone. The one exception is Mary, referring to the Virgin Mary. Since when was Mary an angel? Am I missing something? Some people believe she ascended, but that means all of squat; just because someone ascends doesn't make them an angel.

The worst flaw here is that the attributes for the angels are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Michael is the angel of Israel who fights for the good of the country and it's people. He also is a sort of soldier in a general way. Saying that he relates to willpower is pointlessly vague.
Jophiel is hard to pin down. I can't even be sure he exists in any ancient texts, but generally he seems to be regarded as a patron of the arts, not love.
Chamuel is, in opposite of the previous, supposedly associated with divine love, and also with war. What praytell does that have to do with "Active Intelligence"? What IS that, anyway? Couldn't she just have said "Intelligence"?
Gabriel is most certainly NOT all about "Harmony through Conflict"! Gabriel is traditionally known as the "prince of fire & thunder", a messenger, and sometimes even the angel of death. Not that any of those things are bad, but they are certainly not anything to do with harmony. He told Mary she was going to give birth, so why is Mary not paired with him?
Raphael is the angel of healing. So off the mark it hurts. Mary being ascribed to healing is also a bit dubious.
Uriel is a messenger, the angel of poetry, and sometimes attributed to biblical acts which other angels are also attributed to, so who knows if he did them or not. None of them have anything to do with idealism or devotion, no moreso than anything else the other angels do.
Zadkiel is said to be the angel of mercy & freedom who stops Abraham from killing Isaac....ceremonially. Enough said.

The website also features profiles of people they claim are ascended masters. Most of them are people I have frankly NEVER heard of in my life(With intensely asinine descriptions), and the ones that I have are thrown into a mishmosh of ridiculous and intelligence-insulting facts. Here are some lovely examples;

"Two of his well-known embodiments were Christopher Columbus and Merlin the magician, a spiritual adept who has unfortunately been mythologized. In a series of recent embodiments from the prophet Samuel to Francis Bacon, Saint Germain was the all-pervasive mind, laying the empirical foundation for an age of enlightenment, pushing back the barriers of limitation in the physical and spiritual sciences. As Roger Bacon he directed and inspired devotees of the sacred science, then in his embodiment as Saint Germain, the Wonderman of Europe, he outpictured the quintessence of the alchemists’ dream for all to see."

WHAT?! Saint Germain was said to be immortal, so how precisely is it he managed to die all of those times and reincarnate(They use the term "embodiment", so therefore they mean reincarnation)? How is it found out who he reincarnated into? Why would any of these people be associated with Saint Germain in the first place? The personalities and skills have NOTHING to do with each other, aside from them all being intelligent individuals. I guess that means all SOOPAR SMART people are reincarnations of previous SOOPAR SMART people.

"His(Saint Germain's) etheric retreats are located over Transylvania in Romania and Table Mountain in Wyoming"

So he's a mountain-climbing goth? Interesting.

"HERCULES AND AMAZONIA are the Elohim of the first ray (the blue ray) of power, perfection, the will of God, faith, and divine direction. Devotees of this ray desire to do the will of God through the power of the Father, the First Person of the Trinity. When the fiat went forth “Let there be light: and there was light” and God commanded the Matter creation to come forth out of Spirit, it was Hercules who summoned the mighty Elohim and the builders form to precipitate the divine plan of the Solar Logoi."

I'd love to know how to make my ass as large as yours, so I can pull just as much stuff out of it.

And that's all folks. Sorry if I was profane there, but hey. You would get mad reading this shit too. ;)
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jheti
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Time:2006-04-22 03:10 pm (UTC)
She made Gabriel suck! *livid.* So she could make special girl angels.

That's pathetic. She could've at least used myths/power figures that actually exist. Raagh. Grr arrgh.
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jheti
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Time:2006-04-22 03:15 pm (UTC)
And bwuzuh? RED is the base chakra and goes first. Not blue. DUH.

Red yellow orange green, BLUE is the throat, and speaking, the words of wisdom.

And Hercules?

HERCULES? HERAKLES?

Just no.
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greenjeanz
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Time:2006-04-22 03:20 pm (UTC)
It hurts, doesn't it?
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greenjeanz
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Time:2006-04-22 03:19 pm (UTC)
EXACTLY.
It's like she couldn't stand that there aren't any named female angels. I think logic would dictate that since there are supposedly innumerable amounts of them, there would have to be some of the ladeez. They just aren't named. Or maybe they have no biological sex like we do and only appeared as men because they would appear more authoritive to the people of the time(thankfully I don't think they would feel like they had to do that today, if that was the case). Why is that such a problem? Why did she have to make the male ones we know of look like twits in the process? The whole thing is SO USELESS and stupid considering none of it is even correct.
It really pisses me off. :P
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boo_a_peek
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Time:2006-04-23 02:25 pm (UTC)
Catholic Tradition/Dogma? The Blessed Mother is the Queen of Angels, not an angel herself. I can't find this written in verifiable texts anywhere! Nany told me...*shrugs shoulders*

Beyond that, hear hear! btw where do I find the key of solomon?
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greenjeanz
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Time:2006-04-23 02:35 pm (UTC)
That seems like a reasonable title to give to Mary, and as you said, does not indicate her as an angel.

Here's the Key Of Solomon.
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healermagic
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Time:2008-01-12 04:20 am (UTC)
I know this is an old thread, but where did you find out that info on Michael? I have been doing my own research on where they became Angels. I haven't heard that one with Michael and would love to know more.
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greenjeanz
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Time:2008-01-12 04:50 am (UTC)
From Wikipedia(naturally I don't say JUST USE WIKIPEDIA because sometimes it's wrong ;) but the article on Michael is spectacular):
"There Michael appears as "one of the chief princes" (Daniel 10:13) who in Daniel's vision comes to the angel Gabriel's aid in his contest with the angel of Persia, Dobiel, and is also described there as the advocate of Israel and "great prince who stands up for the children of your (Daniel's) people" (Daniel 10:21, 12:1)"

Daniel 10:13 goes thusly, with Daniel describing his situation. Remember that "prince" is not in the normal context of the word, it is used in this context to describe an angel assigned to a country or region;
"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia."

And Daniel 10:21 contains a dialogue between Daniel & an unnamed angel. The angel says;
"Howbeit I will declare unto thee that which is inscribed in the writing of truth; and there is none that holdeth with me against these, except Michael your prince."

And Daniel 12:1 says, Daniel himself speaking to the people of Israel;
"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

So Michael is explicitly named as the angel of Israel(or more generally, the Jewish people) in the talmud.

As the Wikipedia article states, he isn't mentioned in the bible anymore after this, but other angels appear with the same personality or character qualities as him, so people have usually attributed those appearances to him. I find it a little dubious to do so, because there is no reason to believe it couldn't just be another angel, but hey.

I highly recommend that you go to the Wiki article and read all of it. The most relevant stuff, I think, is the Rabbinical tradition section. There are lots of references to read if you want to plow into the source material.
Have fun, and god bless!
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